| This question <127|162> overall <145|147> Pikk: <108|218>. |
| Question 116: Give everyday examples of “material relations of persons” and “social relations of things.” |
| [146] Pikk: Reply to Rollingrock Rollingrock [118] writes of the material relationship between him and his car dealership. Marx writes that the commodity represents the sum total of labor of private individuals who work independently of each other which form the aggregate labor in society. Since all the different people who worked on the car do not come into social contact, the social characteristics only apply within the exchange between Rollingrock and the car dealership. It is really within the exchange between all the various private producers of the car that a material relation of persons exist and there is a social relation between things. |
| Marx also writes that all the producers (in the car), the social relations between the private labors appear as what they are or the labors do not appear “as direct social relations between persons in their work but rather as material relations between persons and social relations between things.” |
| I guess I am somewhat confused by how Rollingrock goes back to Marx talking about society and how he must work when really the relationship of material relations of persons and the social relation of things has not adequately been addressed. He talks of the car as being the only thing thing that controls him when in fact he is controlled by the car dealership itself. In fact, he doesn't have to go back to car dealership for repairs and parts. One of my favorite repair shops happens to be Mr. Muffler. The fact that he is controlled by the car dealership makes him a whimp. Also, he is controlled by himself instead of society. He makes the choice to go to school, wake up early, buy beer, and go to that car dealership. |
| Hans: See my message [190]. Your first paragraph is very good. |
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