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  Question 67: Did abstract human labor exist already prior to commodity production?   
  [44] Yossarian: Re: Which came first, the abstraction or the production???   Marx defines a commodity on the first page of Capital: “The commodity is, first of all an external object, a thing which through its qualities satisfies human needs of whatever kind.” We can conlude that the commodity, by Marx's definition, is as old as the first human, and therefore predates capitalism. Abstract human labor, on the other hand, is a relatively new invention, specific to the capitalist mode of commodity production. Before this period commodities were judged valuable solely on the merit of their usefulness. The capitalist mode of production, conversely, reduces the measurement of value to the labor which it (the commodity) embodies. The need for a universal measurement of value across the spectrum of varying commodities (through the abstraction of labor), in which commodities are viewed as pieces of tangible labor power, was realized only under capitalism. This makes it impossible, therefore, for the abstraction of labor to precede commodity production, as Gus has stated in [35]  
  Hans: I commend you for trying to start a dialogue on the list. But you had the wrong definition of a commodity! And don't understimate Gus, he seems to be a thoughtful fellow.   
 
 
 
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