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  Question 49: What is value (according to Marx)?   
  [9] Dragonfly: The use-value of money   Hans, I am confused by your statement that money has no use-value. It would seem to me that many people consider money to be worthwhile outside of it's value-based considerations. As a working definition of the value of money I submit the face value denomination of any given currency. The value of a hundred dollar bill is $100. The use-value of that dollar bill would then correspond to the idea of what that dollar bill represents, the that it feels to hold that hundred dollar bill, memories of childhood that involve being impressed by a hundred dollar bill, and how important it made you feel when your parent let you handle that hundred dollar. Granted these impressions have been desensitized as money has passed through your hands over the years, but the thought-streams remain related.Many people have more money than they can spend. It would seem they view money as an end in it's self, i.e. it has a use-value. Granted the money can be collapsed into an exchange of commodities, but large sums of money represent potential commodities, which you seemed to reject as value-based in your response to Peaches. To use Barthes' analysis of steak or wine, from “Mythologies”, the value of these items is a direct result of cultural held mythologies about what it means to eat steak, what kind of people eat steak, and one's perceptions of how one appears to the others surrounding one's self while eating steak. Thus the values of commodities are determined by culturally held use-values. While use-value will certainly vary for individual to individual, some varying more widely than another, there may be said to be certain generalities about the way a culture identifies the use-values of commodities. While this agreement may not be complete, it may at least be referred to as a standard. This is not to say that value is determined by use-value, but that they are interdependent. I think I have failed to see the mutual autonomy of value and use-value. Set me straight, Hans!   
  Hans: In my response [11] to you, I concentrated only on one aspect of what you said. Here are some more comments. You are right that use values have a social dimension, but Marx seems to say that this does not have economic significance. In a Marxian approach, these cultural things can be understood only after one understands the economic base. The concept of “value” Marx uses is a social reality which can be understood without reference to cultural values.   
 
 
 
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